5.2 Tier List and the Best Characters as of November 2024（Page 63）Comment

>>11659 xianyun already uses sodp there. so between faruzan and furina someone has to use noblesse, clearly furina wont be the one to wear noblesse lol. so faruzan it is with noblesse and furina with tenacity. idk what exactly is the problem here? all three of them equip sets that could buff xiao further.

especially rn his bis weapon is beacon which already gives 33.1 cr. diluc already ascends with cr too. xianyun cr buff on top of all that. no need to overcap his cr with mh.

>>11662 too much assumptions here. all depends on his weapon, artifact substats, teammates artifacts and their weapons too. for example you wouldnt want to use gd if your diluc em already high, furina using kofn, someone is already using instructor in that team and em abyss card. cw is overall better for short nuke showcases.

>>11660 while hitting harder themselves as well

>>11662 this assuming noblesse on bennett no?

>>11659 we do use use them for showcases. even whale furina uses fav in speedrun.

>>11662 it is not with crit weapon and xianyun buffing cr too. only c0 wriothesley plunge use mh as bis. lol my point is diluc clears faster since he plunges harder instead of relying on mere plunge quantity.

>>11652 36% CR is huge compared to just 15% Pyro+15% Vape/Melt 30% damage bonus gets affected by diminishing returns because of Furina. This makes crit stats much more valuable. Here is a calculation for Gilded vs MH, Gilded is better in plunge teams compared to CWoF because EM gets affected by diminishing returns less when you're not using an EM weapon

>>11653 getting more plunges mean more dpr, so your point is?

>>11657 You wouldn't want to have pyro aura on the enemy in a vape plunge team so hydro chara won't be doing the reactions but enabling them

>>11655 Who in the hell uses Fav+Milelith on Furina lmao? Noblesse on Xianyun and Milelith on Faruzan is much better. Like YSHelper is also not reliable because it ignores ICD for hydro app

>>11654 You might be right, but I'd wager that Diluc still requires considerably more investment and setup to get there. With Ayaka the rotation is fairly straightforward and likely employs CC to bring her out and deliver her Burst to likely frozen targets. Meanwhile Dragon strike Diluc, will also need a rational team with a C6 Bennett to skip Diluc's Burst and careful deployment of Xianyun's Burst to offer Diluc his best DPS window, all while targets are where you want them?

people forgot with pyro in the team, the hydro sub dps/support also becomes stronger because of reaction. so team dps >>>>

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>>11649 real. 2 plunges from diluc is equal to ayakas entire burst.

>>11648 the thing is diluc and hu tao can do big reaction hitting big numbers even when they get less plunges

>>11650 wrong. according to calculation crimson witch is better even without maxing 3 stacks. the 15% pyro dmg bonus + vape/melt increases by 15% are still better. mh just allows you to get easier cr.

>>11647 stop coping you're the only one who thinks that

>>11646 his best set is Maréchausssée according to calculations anyway, it is hardly possible to execute his E sequence with CWoF.