>>723 he’s mostly a comfort support though, I know he works with ganyu and lyney and characters who don’t want interruption. But healers are generally valued more. However compared to 4 star healers who can heal just as well as kokomi , 4 star shields are pretty weak except maybe for Layla but when compared to zhongli’s seems weak.

>>720 probably furina? She’s the only one I can think of who got a lot of hate here despite being quite flexible.

>>716 if you mean furina then that was only like 2 people trolling, she is actually quite popular and practically everyone knows how good she is seeing as she can buff, sub dps and heal and her dmg is quite high.

Their is also yae but she’s only good for like one team reaction just like kuki.

>>719 xingqiu also works better than yelan in certain times especially if you have him at c2. Fiscal and kuki are quite literally the only good electro characters and honestly speaking their not the most versatile like xinqgiu is. Raiden is not worse than kuki in hyperbloom, the only thing kuki has over her is Sheilds but with enough brute you can get through it and raiden has higher atk speed and range which is very useful. Raiden can work very well as a replacement for fiscal in aggravate.

>>717 zhongli works in way more teams then that, just take a look.

>>718 kuki, fiscal, yae only work in specific teams that’s why I’m saying raiden has high value, she can fit into all of them and even if not the best, still performs super good.

>>719 I’ll agree that maybe yelan should be in neuvillettes place but raiden would still be in the top 5. I would not recommend a healer even if she’s hydro over a character that can take on many roles especially if you don’t have the resources or knowledge to build a specific one. It’s why she is still used a lot, she is good for newer players and low AR and is hella strong.

>>716 who?

not to mention the only good 4* hydro is xq. getting another xq but 5* like yelan is always better for your account. meta for abyss and exploration. while for electro, the 4* fischl and kuki shinobu perform better than the electro 5* for same roles.

>>715 because your account will never go wrong with more hydros. but where electro nowadays? kuki is carrying in hyperbloom teams.

zhongli also considered versatile but his meta teams only hu tao and c0 neuvillette. sometimes tighanari team.

>>714 versatile enough just to fit but not the best at the job. sounds familiar to this one character who got hated for being versatile.

Why would you go for yelan when you have a 4 star who can perform better at certain times? Why go for a healer when some dps want a sheilder and 4 star heals are more than enough? Just like you said, raiden can be used into a second comp if your other electro is occupied and since she’s more versatile she can work into anything you want. Simple as that.

>>704 because she has high value and can fit into anything you want.

>>704 for the last time, I’m not saying raiden is BiS for every single thing and that’s not why she is in the top 5.

>>711 *bad

>>709 most of the time you play two dendro anyway and when I say he’s BiS for dendro I mean as in the bets healer since he also buffs it. His application isn’t even that fast honestly and unless you don’t know how to do rotations, it’s almost always enough for teams to get by. His main role isn’t even application but oh well.

>>709 but driving with kok weak teams or flop ayaka freeze <<<< baizhu with furina or enabling double dendro

>>684 baizhu isn’t always bis for Dendro, his off field app isn’t enough to underlay Dendro Aura as solo Dendro in HB and his on field app is clunky and he only functions as a straight upgrade over Yaoyao in Spread, Cyno, and most Furina teams. Kok isn’t better because she heals, shes better since shes a hydro character with the best off field AoE hydro app with good driving potential ALONG WITH HEALING. I’m not saying she’s better than Yelan, but she’s definitely more valuable than Raiden