>>295 how is it like a math test? Tier list isn't for old players who already know what to do and how everyone works. Certainly it can be used for them to know who else to pull, but the main use of it is for new players to know who's worth pulling and who isn't. Sure, Genshin is about grinding and luck, but hu tao does less than for example alre for the same amount of work. 1. You need to upgrade all 3 of her talents, 2. You need her bis and her C1 to perform as good as for example c0r0 Lyney>

293: I just realize in the Tier List Overview Criteria, for SS main DPS, it at least mentions "great ease of use", however at the same time in DPS Rating Criteria, it only considers damage from NA, CA, elem.skill and burst. None mention cost nor f2p-friendliness. I'm just pissed about the reason "expensive". Had they just said, hu tao got powercrept, I would agree. That's all I wanted to say. Genshin after all is a grinding game to get perfect artifacts for chars, you get from gacha. (story too)

>>294 293 here: Granted, I forgot about point 2, but your first point "[...] but does it say the only factor is their dmg?" isn't a good argument. You might as well take a math test and get credited for your handwriting or how fast you finish. Damage Per Second. While I mostly agree with damage per rotation, I do not agree with about how easy2build, comfortable, f2p nor how popular a char has to be. There's something else I want to add, that confuses me, but I reched character limit...

>>293 Arle can't be healed during battle lmao. And yeah, it does say that, but does it say the only factor is their dmg? If so, for example Gaming should be higher than Neuvillette right? Cuz Gaming can do 500k+ with one skill while neu can't. While neu can do more in one rotation. It compares the dmg in rotation, how easy t build they are, how comfortable, f2p friendly they are. Not how popular they are lol

>>292 I quote this site: "Tier List Criteria DPS Rating Criteria High Damage From All Sources Characters with high damage from Normal and Charged Attacks, Elemental Skill and Burst. Talents and Constellations should also further improve overall damage output. Also effective against Bosses and Elite enemies as well as groups of smaller enemies." Also to whoever claimed, Arle could use benny way better than hu tao. Peach, if you heal arle, you effectively remove her elem. infusion!

>>291 tier list has more factors than just dmg. Considering how easier newer pyro dps are to build and less expensive, to get the same results as hu, her demotion makes complete sense ;)

The ayaka demote made sense because freeze comp is basically dead, but hutao is still strong in the current date. This derank only makes sense if you compare the value you get out of Arlech compared to Hutao, but that's not what the tierlist is for. The tierlist is meant to show the relative strength of characters and hutao is still a strong pick. Theres a seperate section for priority pulls ( Arlech is objectively the more f2p friendly). Overall, an uneeded change.

>>289 her era is over. Deal with it

>>280 dude chill, ur gonna give urself a heart attack with that much mid lol. Saying hu tao is better than arle just cuz of Bennett circle impact makes literally no sense. So hubtao is better agains magu kenki but lesser than her in every other situation lol

Omg look someone dying bc someone called hu tao mid :0

>>276 and nope, but not everything is about DMG. I'd rather die than play MidTao with her outdated playstyle. Boring, old, expensive, not everyone are willing to lose a more interesting and actually useful character for her C1 and bis like some simps *cough* this guy getting frustrated over a fictional character *cough*

>>277 Love how you're at loss of words that you keep using the word mid. Go on, it's not like you calling them mid would bring MidTao back to the tier list she clearly doesn't deserve xD also love how you're mad about this all. Keep getting frustrated over a stupid game character<3

>>283 Yeah. It seems like if they wanted to make these changes. It should of been done sometime ago, rather than just out of the blue. Given hu tao has not really change much in terms of strength, between now and say in 4.8. Now it seems like they are just breaking their own rules and making up new ones.

>>282 Dude. You put to much fate in tier lists. If the reason they move her down. Was simply due to needing costly teams. That does not mean she bad or worst. Or even not better than a ss tier character in the right team.

Can we stop with the simping and go back to the underlying issue? DPS means damage-per-second, not comfort of time&money to build or play. I care about the reason, which to this site are 1.relevance, 2.investment-requirement, 3.self-sufficient and 4.less expensive (which is just 2.). On their OWN sites Tier List Criteria for DPS Rating, they claim "High Damage From All Sources" (NA, CA, e.skill, burst, constellations, CC). Those are no reasons. Those are excuses. hypocrisy here

There goes the best DPS Pyro in the game. Years of being the best, they finally take the throne from her <3

well speaking of hu tao. Rather sure her banner would have more overall value. Given that means staff of homa rerun. Which is universal good on alot of polearm characters.

>>273 while Arlecchino can make use of bennett better than Hu Tao. That also leads to circle impact. Something alot of folks hate, due to limiting your mobility. Throw in Maguu Kenki, which has a habit of moving around. You can easily end up losing the benefits of bennett and spending more downtime recovering his burst, than you otherwise would of. Who is better heavily depends on team and context. Arlec is not outright better than hu tao. same for the other way around.

>>273 Lyney is a bow user. Missing a shot can lead to lost of dps. Which is much harder to do with a melee character. He also before recently, had no dendro that work well with burning. Heck his teams are very limited. If two of them were not easy to get, it would be rather hard to build a team for him. Lyney also needs time to charge up his attacks. I know you hate hu tao but can you at lease use fact and logic, not copium to deny reality.

>>273 Gaming? You mean lesser Diluc. For in plunge teams. Diluc comes out on top before c6 Gaming. At c6 Gaming only has a slight edge. At higher cons Diluc takes back the edge. if Diluc is worst than Hu Tao. Why should Hu tao be place lower? When he doesn't comes close to her level of power and is on the level of Diluc.