bruh why do people still think double team + water shuriken is the best build? double team + water shuriken is only good for beginners while smokescreen + surf is way better as it has better burst damage and team-fighting potential.

>>42 the guide overall isn't that bad, it's just that they're recommending the wrong build and moveset.

>>39 *double team water shuriken*

>>40 it isn't a big change, but it def hurt a lot on its damage and teamfight potential. i haven't tried it yet but i know the nerf makes it from dominate to just strong like decidueye etc (cinderace might be better now after the greninja nerf, (the blaze kick didn't nerf didn't really affect anything but it's ganking power before level 11) but who knows?

Hey guys, as you the new nerf arrived for Greninja and tbh I don't feel it reply your thoughts.

oh great now this website thinks that double team surf is better than smokescreen surf. yeah dumbest pokemon unite guide confirmed....

>>29 did u really just say Choice specs 😂

They should add Ash greninja bond

>>35 wait, last time I checked out, they're like, 1/4 of greninja's dmg output, yeah still kinda useless though unless your using it for mobility

>>34 that moveset sucks tho, since your double team clones don't do any damage at all, it's basically useless, might as well go smokescreen for that assassin playstyle (sneaking in and out) and that extra attack when you upgrade smokescreen

I love surf double team, it's my go to jungle build for Greninja, Those surf resets are fire

Has anyone else tried and loved Surf and Double Team? I'm digging the clones all surfing the enemy and I feel it's clone damage for them doing surf verse doing water shiruken is much more. The enemy gets so confused when I use DT as I'm still pelting them with basic attacks then when they are gone I surf them into oblivion. Try it out and tell me what you think. DT is more for a brawler than assassin. Im more agressive when I play I guess.

>>30 agreed

surf smokescreen is def better right now, if you want me to explain it to you then you're stupid

I think if we want to deal more damage to enemy using greninja , we have to use choice specs and scope lens and the battle item is slow smoke to decrease enemy’s movement speed🧐

Feels like greninja is one of those pokemons that could really screw up teamfights if used correctly Surf and smokescreen is the combothat needs a lot of skill a d when used correctly can really change the whole game upside down WS and DT is a more easier move to control and more beginner friendly If you know how to use greninja correctly, use surf smokes, It is devastating in teamfights and could steal objectives really really Well. If you are new with greninja, use water shuriken double team

>>[26 yyyyeah, true. but honestly i'd still think surf is pretty good to escape, not only that, but surf does good damage and easier to hit unlike water shuriken, you also usually use dash moves to escape out of a tight situation and smokescreen just gives you that, you get a speedboost along with enemy blind

Although You can escape with surf, it has a longer duration to use that move again compared to water shuriken and double team can make the opposing Pokémon confused and it could also do damage unlike smokescreen

Unite move:8.5 Really good! AOE so theres that, does good damage, comes out fast, only problem is that its hard to aim it properly, and as like most unite moves it gets affected by Unstoppable which lowers it down by 1.5 Conclusion: It's really fun! good character, as it heals ALOT and mobility is also good as hell, combine that with a good unite and good dmg and its fun AND op!