Thiollier's Hidden Needle Location, Stats, and Scaling

Thiollier's Hidden Needle is a Fist in Elden Ring DLC Shadow of the Erdtree that scales with Strength, Dexterity, an Intelligence. Read on to learn how to get the Thiollier's Hidden Needle, as well as its location, description, upgrades, stat requirements, and best Ashes of War.

Thiollier's Hidden Needle Location

Obtain at the Divine Gate After Thiollier's Questline

Thiollier's Hidden Needle is obtained from Thiollier's corpse if you have completed Thiollier's questline and defeated the final boss of the DLC. His corpse can be found near the Divine Gate Site of Grace in Enir-Ilim.

To check if the weapon is guaranteed to drop, look for Thiollier's gold summoning sign in front of the fog gate leading to the final boss arena. If it's present, then the weapon should drop after you beat the boss. You do not need to summon Thiollier to get his equipment.

Thiollier Quest Guide

Finish Thiollier's Questline to Get His Weapon and Armor Drops in Enir-Ilim

1	Progress Thiollier's questline near the Pillar Path Cross in Gravesite Plain until Miquella's Great Rune breaks. Once broken, return and talk to Thiollier to get him to move to the Garden of Deep Purple in the Stone Coffin Fissure.
2	Once Thiollier has moved to the Garden of Purple, exhaust your dialogue with him and St. Trina. You will need to imbibe in St. Trina's nectar four times until she begins to talk, then interact with Thiollier and pass St. Trina's words to him.
3	Rest at the Garden of Purple Site of Grace then approach the garden entrance to trigger Thiollier's invasion. Defeat him, exhaust his dialogue once again (until he says What did St. Trina tell you?), and then imbibe in St. Trina's nectar again two more times until you get her dialogue about explicitly asking you to kill Miquella.
4	Pass on St. Trina's words to Thiollier again then repeat your rest at the nearby Site of Grace. Talk to Thiollier again and if his remaining dialogue is '...A-Ah...', continue your playthrough until you reach the final boss of the DLC at Enir-Ilim.
5	Make sure that Thiollier's gold summoning sign (you do not have to use it) is at the door before the Divine Gate. After the fight with the final boss, obtain Thiollier's Hidden Needle from his body near the Divine Gate Site of Grace.

Thiollier's Hidden Needle Description and Stats Overview

Basic Information

Thiollier's Hidden Needle	Overview
	Type: Fists ATK Type: Pierce Skill: Sleep Evermore Passive: Eternal Sleep (42) Weight: 0.5
Description
Concealed weapon used by Thiollier, of a design generally favored by poison-wielders for dark and subtle purposes. Like St. Trina, who blossomed in the deep-purple garden, a rich poison is secreted from within which sends its victims into an eternal sleep.

Required Stats to Equip

Stat Scaling

Basic Stats

Thiollier's Hidden Needle Upgrades

Base and Max Level Comparison

Max Upgrade Level in Each Affinity

Required Upgrade Materials

Thiollier's Hidden Needle requires one Somber Smithing Stone for every level to upgrade until +9. The final level at +10 requires a Somber Ancient Dragon Smithing Stone.

Somber Smithing Stones Farming Guide

Thiollier's Hidden Needle Ashes of War

Cannot Be Infused with Ashes of War

The Thiollier's Hidden Needle cannot be infused with a different Ash of War since it is considered a unique weapon. Weapons that are upgraded using Somber Smithing Stones are classified as unique weapons.

Elden Ring Related Guides

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List of Weapons by Status Effects

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