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well here is a f2p Dr.ratio showcase. He does 70k per follow up and i personally would’ve used gui or SW instead of pela cause she struggles to maintain the debuffs but oh well. https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/yk7Huq8kzM I don’t think he’s broken but he’s very strong. So yeah I think you should probably for for Clara to cover the weakness cause welt isn’t needed.
No, if you don’t have bronya then just use huo hio + Tingyun and nothing will change. Jingliu is not reliant on bronya nor does she need her to work.
And even with the change of set ups in jingliu and DHIL they do not become hard to manage cause I only mean the speed. You want yukong to always be slower then your sustain and Tingyun but faster then Lunae. I don’t know much about jingliu without bronya though so I don’t think you need to change Pela or Tingyun speed stats or anything but her enhanced state might have lower uptime.
I personally do find Argenti (at least in aoe cause he sucks in single target) and blade to be easier to use or at least “brain dead” like how you guys out it because even with the switch of characters their rotations and set ups doesn’t change much + it’s just enhanced basic and skill till ult.
I think it depends on an accounts characters and builds. For example the standard team for jingliu is pela + bronya which is a rotation that is easy to maiantain same with Lunae only change bronya with Tingyun. Of course in jingliu team Tingyun is a strong candidate if you don’t have e4 pela or bronya so you might have to change your teams set up. Sam with Lunae. But this is talking about how to play them and not their teams which is just 3B and skill > ult.
yeah that could be great, I was thinking Ratio Welt gepard with trend of the universal market (the lc that burns who attacks the wielder) and SW, while my other team would be luocha Jingliu Ruan Mei Tingyun
yeah that's probably the best thing to do, i hope it's one of those two or Himeko that I don't have, or just let me win that would be also great
Thing is though welt plus SW/Ruan mei will probably be Ratio best team. Welt covers his aoe weakness and SW can implant even more debuffs while Ruan Mei will make your team have a field day with the constant imprison on enemies.
actually yeah you should probably wait and see, maybe you’ll lose 50/50 and it’s one of the two or if your close to getting a 5 star on the standard then I’d wait to see what It’ll be before making my decision
ok so ratio will be your imaginary dps and that makes it three. You said your going for black swan but I don’t really know how good she’ll be without Kafka. Then yeah you should probably go for Clara to over the lack of some elemental dps.
Anyway thanks, I'll decide after pulling Ruan Mei in case i lose the 50/50 ahah
I have Seele and Jingliu as dps, so there's not really much choises ahah, I have SW tho who carried me all the way to MoC 6. I don't have any other good dps, just sushang and serval, I'm waiting ratio to aim for MoC 7 so i can auto-farm those levels and that's it cuz i know I can't aim higher
welt is a better choice but if you really feel the need for a physical dps then I guess you could go for Clara. If you have all other elements covered though then I don’t think you need a physical dps cause the enemy will usually have 3 weaknesses so you can use a dps that isn’t physical
cuz I always wanted welt but I need a phys dps, I only have Sushang but her dmg is not enough for MoC, and I have Clara's lc so I could get a good build for her, Welt on the other hand is such a good unit and will probably pair so well with Ratio with his debuffs, so idk who to choose
yep
you mean who to choose from the 2 for your 300 wrap reward?
exactly! As for DHIL it depends on who your playing him with. He was two top teams with Tingyun and loucha and then pela or yukong. The one with pela is so easy to maintain cause you just use Tingyun skill once then basic with all other characters until her 3 turn buff ends. This team is still one of the strongest in game. The other with yukong can be harder to manage but it’s nor complicated nor do you actually need to think about sp cause you don’t use yukong S until her ult is ready
I got long time ago Clara's lc and am approaching 300 standard pulls so I don't know who to choose, I already have the other 5 stars except Himeko, but she's kinda meh
who do you guys think is better Clara or Welt?
With DHIL it’s just 3Basic each turn sometimes 2Basic if the enemy is at low health.