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Let’s talk about the changes, they changed the amount of elites from 2 to 3 in the last wave which isn’t actually that big of a deal tbh if you have Argenti, himeko or Jing yuan built. These three can clear all trash mob waves and then still get you through the last wave that’s what Argenti 180 ult and JY LL are mainly more so if you ask me, I think they’re doing it so people cane use 4 stars anymore for easy clear and go for the 5 stars like in MoC.
LOOOOOL autarky has a fixed 24% chance of proc'ing making it very unreliable I don't want to reset moc 20 times to get the perfect proc when I just slam my DHIL and clear the fight on a couple of cycles, keep dreaming and watching people from tiktok and youtube dude those guys are so smart.
then it’ll just give Argenti, Jing yuan and potentially newer erudition units even more value for it lol. You’re acting as if Argenti can’t clear waves of elites when that’s what his bigger ult is literally for.
wait a couple of months they will make pf way harder like with moc they made 11 and 12. pf is just too easy, I just use herta and its a free 40k with like 2 to 1 cycles remaining. They will surely make pf 5 and 6 and those stages might be alot of elites, just like in moc 11 and 12 now
2 more days until we see the new pure fiction anyway so let’s see if Argenti will really fall. It’s no secret how good he is for pure fiction regardless of any buffs or weakness. You supposed to use his 90 ult to oneshot the mob waves then his 180 ult when the elites shows up and now he’s even better since he’s one of the few who can reliably oneshot both elite and mobs in one wave with his ult that isn’t hard to get.
they increased the points the elites bring and decreased the points the mobs bring no? That just makes it so people are inclined to pull for the limited erudition characters who can still easily kill mobs and handle elites when they show up so no, Argenti is still better than achreon cause they aren’t pinning 3 elites all in one wave and Achreon isn’t wasting turns and cycles to get her ult only to overkill if mobs are still present.
nah, in future there will be less mobs and more elites in pf based on leaks, and they are increasing the hp of enemies for pf, so argenti cant one shot the enemies with a 90 ult anymore
definitely not, Ult comes in 2-3 or 4 depending on signature and overkills all mobs while skill only hits 3. I don’t see how that puts her over Argenti who can keep using 90 ult 4 times in a row and then more to quickly get all points regardless of the buffs.
she is on their level I’m admitting that but not without her signature, it makes a huge difference and it shows, you should probably go see for yourself. That said I’m not hating on her or anything cause she’ll still be better than the others and I plan to go for either way since she’s a Mei expy (one of my favorites). Also if your taking her skill dmg into account then you should also take jingliu/dhil ult dmg as well.
and once acheron comes she will destroy argenti it pf too, poor man
okay then we’ll wait and see lol
nope the only thing she has over him is buffs, he has way better sustain abilities and is much more comfy. Plus, the only difference huo huo brings for cycle clears is like 1 cycle or 0.x whenever I look at the MoC data so I’d rather stick with the comfort loucha brings.
just wait until acheron comes then we will see whos laughing, and most of the leaks of acheron are just random leakers, who dont know the optimal team and rotation for acheron, just wait when she comes you will see her 0 cycling anything without issues/resets needed and she can easily 0 cycle bosses with lightning resist cuz she has insane pen.
you mean the same content creators who said black swan is only 10% better than sampo with Kafka? Yeah I’m not believing them. So instead how about you show me achreon hitting those big numbers? Like I said the most I’ve seen her go with signature is 600k and that’s backloaded and without it was 300k in four turns while taking 4 cycles in an MoC made for her.
Why would I want to reset MoC for each failed follow up? Such a waste of time when my characters clear faster either way.
in your dreams maybe but we all know that’s not true lmao
The only disadvantage of QQ is that the follow up is not guaranteed but u can just reset moc easily anyway
Just go ask Mr poke if I don't believe qq is broken
U have no idea how broken E4 QQ it literally almost doubles her attack if I get lucky. I mean if u don't invest in her then that would explain why u don't think she's good. With Sparkle release e0 qq > e0 dhil and e6 qq = e2 dhil in terms of damage.
E4 QQ as good as DHIL E2 LOOOOL, you guys are MAD coping lmao, first yukong better than sparkle now lynx better than fu xuan now QQ better than E2 DHIL, love you guys keep rocking!