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They are both equally bad without their C2 because of no AOE. And at the same time there is no point of getting their C2 instead of getting C2 for Mavuika or Varesa, who are both much much better dpses.
and where do you base that on? Ur shitty experience that's irrelevant. There are vids of teams with DPS and kazuha as support clearing faster than nilou could ever hope for, u prob overinvest in your shitty nilou and are trying to find ways to make her relevant well she is not, even in aoe she loses to hypercarry DPS like neuv with kazuha as grouper. Oh wait maybe u don't have kazuha and you don't know how broken his aoe cc actually is, yeah maybe that's it hahaha idiot
Nilou team clears faster than anything kazuha team in aoe scenarios. She can even kill ur team and monolith on monolith challenges. Cry more dumbass
chasca is better dont believe in tier list
Chasca used to be above Kinich on the tier list, and now she is below him on it. It should show that change in the tier shift list; also I don't agree with that, but my opinion doesn't matter.
no there not try using nilou on an aoe chamber where enemies are spread out you will cry urself like an idiot. Nilou aoe is trash nowadays you would rather play a better hypercarry with a support that has cc like kazuha
the difference is venti only has cc, kazuha has better cc on top of giving buffs. Also venti cc is only good in small trash mobs and its annoying to aim. Venti cc is ass comnpared to kazuha
cc isnt viable nowadays. If cc was a thing, then venti should be ss tier lmao. Aoe? Lauma and Nilou can decimate any aoe faster than any comp.
kazuha still has the best cc to this day dumbo, just you wait for the next abyss with a tons of aoe and more waves, kazuha will mog every support
no one needs his low duration buff anymore, he isn't BiS in most teams rn. Nod-krai's units don't need him, 5.x units don't need him, Neuvillette prefers Xilonen over him. Heck, even old units like Ayaka don't need Kazuha anymore.
Oh, you're that worthless "noobie" spam-head that no one takes seriously. Uh... kindly piss off again and never return
if you dont know who I am dont talk to me idiot, im referring to the other commenters who know me, just dont even reply to me from now on if you dont know me noobie idiot.
Dude there are 16660 anonymous comments other than yours, who tf are you
i don't think you got the point of this comment. I only want to point at comments to show how stupid they are, like to quote of a comment, that does not exists in the refered thread. Same like using AI to reinforce your opinion
LMAO they got so much crap in these comments that they made a tier list maker
Arlecchino won't get back to SS. Her perform with F2P Investment is good, but that's all. She's worse than Mavuika as a character, not only a worse DPS but also can't be a Support as Mavuika. Weaker than Mavuika, Skirk, Varesa, Nefer, Flins, Neuvillette and Mualani. About to get weaker than DPS Durin and Kinich + Durin. That puts her on #10. And that's excluding every single team with higher DPS and not a Main DPS, as Lauma Lunar Bloom.
"Most of the DPS still appreciate this stat" Mavuika prefers Sucrose's EM on Melt, Skirk doesn't want an Anemo, Varesa's best team is Overload, Flins and Nefer don't want Kazuha. Neuvillette/Arlecchino's best team aren't with Kazuha anymore. Chasca and Kinich are not good with Kazuha, Clorinde's Aggravate is far below of her Overload. Ayaka's teams with Kazuha are 30-40% below those with Escoffier. Etc etc. He's not an SS Tier Support anymore. Sucrose is simply better at C1.
Varesa's Overload Team is 124K DPS (FlipMeAc) and 120K with Durin (Vomfee).